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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 2:59 pm    Post subject: Limiting access to R-rated stuff to members only Reply with quote

What do you all think about this? Should stuff like caps of Paul running around naked in the Rainbow be kept under wraps? And should the R-rated stories be limited to members only? Please let me know what you think, since this is your forum, too.

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 3:52 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I know that I haven't been in this forum for too long and I don't want to set a course either, but since the question has come up... Wink

Personally, I would be happy with the posts to stay public, because after all, the movie is available, people can watch it and people can see those scenes of naked frolicking. (Also, I tried to pimp this board linking to that post Embarassed and killed people with the squee material.)

I can see reasons for making them members-only, for example age control (what rating does The Rainbow have, anyway?), or having something special for members to get more people to join. I don't know if that's what you want. If it is, I have no problem with locking the posts. Smile
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 03, 2006 6:51 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

One reason I think it might be a good idea to lock maybe just the 'R' literature forum, is some of our writers may feel less stifled creatively, knowing what they write won't be accessible to minors. After what Denise mentioned about an underage person getting hold of some of her stuff online, I'd hate to see people hold back content, for fear of that happening to them, too.

As far as the pics go, there are really only the Rainbow pics, anyway, and I agree with what drbillbongo says--the movie's available to anyone, and the pics I've seen floating around from it really aren't that offensive anyway. It's basically just nudity.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 10:39 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Thanks, Bill and Teri, for your comments. I've created a R-rated lit for members only forum, which is hidden. This forum will only appear as an option when a registered member logs on. I hope this helps.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 2:19 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I don't mind so much that the Rainbow pics are here, they are lovely photos, almost painterly and Paul has a beautiful body.

If I'm being honest, besides worrying about kids seeing them, I worry that perhaps Annie McGann or even Paul (tho I doubt that) might decide to check out the forum-Annie especially, since she's been so kind as to give her permission for a few things to be here.

I fear that it might be taken as disrespectful or in bad taste by someone who matters. Yes, the sequence is there in the film, and Paul agreed to be nude in the film. But this was 1988-89, before there was any concept of "screen captures." This turns a brief sequence on film into still photos, which is something entirely different. These are, unlike the film footage, essentially done without his consent. And since they are not protected, they can be grabbed by anyone and used anywhere else on the web.

The only other nude photos of Paul on the web are on porno sites. I wouldn't want these to be looked at in the same vein, because they are not-they're gorgeous images.

So yeah, it bothers me a little. *I* don't think it's disrespectful or in bad taste-they're on my hard drive to admire. I respectfully play the Devil's Advocate here, and won't say any more about it.

As to the fiction being protected now, I like that better. It's a bigger hassle for a young person to register just to get thrills when there are way less protected thrills in the offing on the net.

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 3:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

You make some good points, Denise. I guess I also think of those caps as so artful, I hardly think of them as offensive--but that's not to say someone else may not make something offensive from them in the wrong context. Paul himself has also expressed trepidation about them floating around on the net, so password securing them might be a good compromise for everyone.

Wish we would've thought to ask him that at one of the cons. He was very good natured about it when asked onstage about the contents of the pics at CT, but then again perhaps he didn't want to get into anything controversial with a large audience.
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PostPosted: Tue Apr 04, 2006 4:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teri wrote:
I guess I also think of those caps as so artful, I hardly think of them as offensive--but that's not to say someone else may not make something offensive from them in the wrong context. Paul himself has also expressed trepidation about them floating around on the net, so password securing them might be a good compromise for everyone.


IIRC back in 1998 he joked with Steph Gould about a photo of his naked bum being up at the PMEB website (which it's not). I just googled the keywords Paul McGann naked and Paul McGann nude and didn't see the Library come up. I did find reference to a documentary about property seizure in Russia during my search and have posted it under the TV section.

I definitely view the caps as artsy, as indeed that whole dream sequence from The Rainbow is. And I don't think our site will be perused by those close to Paul either. I mean, why should they? I'm sure they regard this place entirely as a fangurrl thing. Smile

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 8:50 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

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I just googled the keywords Paul McGann naked and Paul McGann nude and didn't see the Library come up.


Oops, I didn't mean to imply that we'd be lumped in with that kind of sicko stuff. Embarassed I don't think that at all.

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I definitely view the caps as artsy


As I do-they're lovely. I guess I'm just being overly cautious. I love those photos. I'm sorry if I made anybody mad. Sad

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 10:16 am    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulgirl wrote:
As I do-they're lovely. I guess I'm just being overly cautious. I love those photos. I'm sorry if I made anybody mad. Sad

Denise


Please don't feel that way, Denise. You certainly haven't made anyone mad. I'm just garnering opinions about something I may have been too cavalier about. Being cautious is a good thing. And I don't mind moving those piccies to a hidden forum. Anyway, it's something I'll deal with after I return from my trip to SC.

The way Paul was joking about opening wine bottles in the nude ala Anton during his interview session with India Fisher at ChicagoTARDIS 2004 and indirectly alluding to the size of his male member makes me think that he wouldn't find the caps too objectionable. Of course, I may be full of caca.

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PostPosted: Wed Apr 05, 2006 12:18 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

emay wrote:
The way Paul was joking about opening wine bottles in the nude ala Anton during his interview session with India Fisher at ChicagoTARDIS 2004 and indirectly alluding to the size of his male member makes me think that he wouldn't find the caps too objectionable.

That's what I was trying to say--but you know how jolly and festive everyone is feeling at the cons, it makes me wonder if it was just the mood de la moment that suddenly made him react less guardedly about it, or if he's become more relaxed about it in general. His boys are older, too, now, and more capable of wrapping their heads around the content of the pics--and I seem to recall that being an issue for him, too--their stumbling upon the pics online when they were a little younger.

I would guess he probably doesn't worry much that we post the pictures here, but like Denise said, he may be concerned about what others may do with them beyond here. But you know, those pics have circulated around for so long now, and so many people probably have them in their files at this point, it's pretty much a moot point by now, anyway.
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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 12:54 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teri wrote:
One reason I think it might be a good idea to lock maybe just the 'R' literature forum, is some of our writers may feel less stifled creatively, knowing what they write won't be accessible to minors. After what Denise mentioned about an underage person getting hold of some of her stuff online, I'd hate to see people hold back content, for fear of that happening to them, too.

As far as the pics go, there are really only the Rainbow pics, anyway, and I agree with what drbillbongo says--the movie's available to anyone, and the pics I've seen floating around from it really aren't that offensive anyway. It's basically just nudity.

I totally agree with Teri. ( Teri, can you move overhere? I could REALLY need you since you always seem to say what get's stuck in my mind Laughing . As we say here; You always put the dot on my I. (before i can even write the 'I'. Wink )

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 5:44 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teri wrote:
One reason I think it might be a good idea to lock maybe just the 'R' literature forum


This might be a moot point by now, since estelle has taken steps to sort of hide that particular forum, but calling it "R" rated (at least in my particular case) is somewhat misleading.

I'm going to post "Umoja" here along with some of my other fiction, and my stuff is an unabashed XXX. I love to write smut. I think it's pretty good smut, but it *is* smuttily-smut-smut.

Will anyone be offended?

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 6:59 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Paulgirl wrote:
I'm going to post "Umoja" here along with some of my other fiction, and my stuff is an unabashed XXX. I love to write smut. I think it's pretty good smut, but it *is* smuttily-smut-smut.

Will anyone be offended?

Denise


Nah. I'll leave it to the writers to label their works as R or X rated, as they wish. The other R-rated forum is still up, and anyone can post there if they want. I'm keeping the deflowered Doctor over there with Frank-N-Furter. Smile

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PostPosted: Mon Apr 10, 2006 7:21 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

Teri wrote:
I would guess he probably doesn't worry much that we post the pictures here, but like Denise said, he may be concerned about what others may do with them beyond here. But you know, those pics have circulated around for so long now, and so many people probably have them in their files at this point, it's pretty much a moot point by now, anyway.


I was thinking about these particular caps while I was away and have decided to keep them where they are and not to restrict them to members only. Hiding them now reminds me of shutting the barn door after the horse has already bolted out.

Before posting these pictures, I did think about whether I should or shouldn't do it. I decided to go ahead because I figured they were part of The Rainbow. The images seem arty and idealized, and when I look at them, I think of Adam and Eve running through the Garden of Eden.

Now having a McGann Library banner with nothing but images of Paul in the buff would be too conspicuous and not representatitve of the varied content of this site. But if anyone has a hankering to post erotic McGann drawings, then I'll set up a hidden forum for it.

I didn't think about this until now: people who saw The Rainbow in theaters surely got an eyeful. Smile

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PostPosted: Tue Apr 11, 2006 12:11 pm    Post subject: Reply with quote

I'm just getting to this poll today.

Everyone had good points.

If I was inclined to post a story that was R and beyond, like my Bush story at Ezboard, I'd feel leery about kids who wandered in, reading it. Though as Denise said, they probably find anything and everything out there on the web.

That is a good argument, that these stories, and pics are already out there...but there's another point to be made which Denise did articulate on. I'll get back to that.

I see the Rainbow pics as arty too and he's beautiful in this, and yes, they can be found on the web if you look and people have the files already.
But I think there's another point to add.

Even if they can be posted elsewhere, I'd choose to keep those pics, and the R+ Fiction restricted, as a gesture, even if it makes little difference in the long run.

I guess the point is, as Denise said, it's more of a gesture than anything else. Of courtesy from his fans, of respect towards him and his family if they happened to stumble upon them (not that they'd be looking here) or were told about them from others, where they were found. Even though the pics can be found elsewhere, it's the gesture of respect, that holds the significance to me.

We don't really know what he feels about such things, or what his family would feel about it, but I'd rather sway on the side of caution first. Whatever causes the least harm....

If I was him, I don't think I'd want my fans making everything accessible even if other sites have already. You know, the argument that...just because they do it, or that it's out there, it makes no difference. The horse may be out of the barn, but we can still show courtesy in that regard. I think there's the difference. Sometimes the only things that remain humanized in this intrusive information society, is courtesy. To me, that would be a gesture of courtesy--whether known or unknown to him.

Probably just old fashioned on my part, but that's my anitquated take on it.

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